My Thoughts on WSOP ME Final-Table Delay

Created By: Liz Lieu Posted in: , Industry Insider
2008 May 14
Liz Lieu

Well, a lot has happened in the two weeks since my previous post here at PokerListings, both for me and for poker.

As you know, I got sick before the EPT Monte Carlo Grand Final. I made my way to Las Vegas and then missed the WPT Championships at the Bellagio.

It got worse for me after the WPT Championships. I won't bore you with the details, but a scoping procedure became major surgery last week.

I wasn't expecting to have a significant operation, but the doctors said they had no choice. I got out of the hospital on Sunday, and it hasn't been too fun since.

I'm doing what I've been told to do by the doctors, walking around a bit while the incision is healing. But not much sleep for me, with heavy doses of being uncomfortable and hurting.

When I see the suffering in Myanmar and Sichuan province, I know my problems aren't that major. I try to keep telling myself that, but I have still felt pretty bad and miserable all week.

So that's what's been happening with me. Now on to poker. I have to be honest with you. When I heard about the changes with the final table at the World Series, I just thought how stupid it sounded. I haven't read all of the thoughts of my peers on the forums and blogs, but let me give you my view on this change.

Liz Lieu
Lieu: Changes to Main Event good for ESPN, Harrah's; but are they good for anybody else?

I'm sure this is good for ESPN, Harrah's and their sponsors like Miller Brewing. More people will be surprised about who will win, which should turn into higher ratings. But higher ratings haven't translated into any additional tournament prize-pool money for players.

I heard that the money in the prize pool for the final table will be put into an interest-bearing account and added back to the pool, but really that is pretty meaningless. The prize pool will be shared by those at the final table anyway, so the extra money would be theirs anyway.

The issue of collusion is definitely something to consider. Every time I sit down at any poker table, I have to concern myself with the possibility of collusion. Every time, anywhere in the world. Talk to any veteran pro and you'll hear the same thing. It is second nature for us to be alert and aware for signs of this.

I actually think the problem is less with the Main Event final table than it might be in other tournaments or events at the WSOP. With hand-to-hand coverage and so much scrutiny, collusion would be more difficult for the players. Not impossible, but more difficult.

I really have two main problems with the change: something happening to players in the interim period and the change in dynamics of the entire final table when it reconvenes.

WSOP Commissioner Jeffrey Pollack
WSOP Commissioner Jeffrey Pollack: Not concerned about accidents.

Obviously, I have some new thoughts about the possibility of something physically happening to a player in the time off before the final table. A friend of mine told me that WSOP Commissioner Jeffrey Pollack wasn't too concerned about this; that anything can happen to anyone at any time.

He's right, of course.

In any competition, a participant can have an accident, get sick, sustain an injury. But this is an unnaturally long break for people playing for a large sum of money.

Think about my current health problems as an example. If the WSOP Main Event had played in February and March and I had made the final table, I probably wouldn't be able to play now if it started next week. Unlucky me, I know, but things like this are possible.

The second problem is simply how much will change in that interim period when it comes to the players and the environment they are in. I don't think coaching is that big of an issue; at least, it is accessible to everyone.

Every player at the final table will have the same opportunity to receive coaching. I know I will huddle with John Phan, Patrik Antonius and my other buddies to plan and practice if I make the final table (and if they don't!).

Patrik Antonius
PA: Expect a huddle if Liz makes the final table.

It's more than coaching, though. To me, what Harrah's has done is really create two different events: The WSOP Main Event tournament (where they play a massive tournament over two weeks to reach nine finalists) and the WSOP ME SNG, a single-table tournament where nine new players come together with different chip counts to play for first-ninth place.

Is it a change to the tournament? Of course. I think it makes it a very different type of tournament.

Is it OK for me just not to like making such a huge change to the biggest event in my profession? Think about this for a second. Harrah's has been running WSOP Circuit events since the World Series left Las Vegas last summer, as well as launching the WSOP Europe tournaments.

Why not run a trial at one of these tournaments if you're going to make this big a change?

Annette Obrestad is a terrific new player, an online star before she won the WSOP Europe event last September. If they gave the final-table participants eight weeks off before sitting back down to play for the $2m top prize, would it have been fair to her?

Whether it would have been fair or not to her, I think it would have been a very different final table. Many of the players had no cashes in a live tournament prior to reaching that final table. You can bet they would have known a ton about Annette with eight weeks to prepare.

Annette Obrestad
Would have been a different story for Betfair Poker pro Annette Obrestad if WSOPE final table had been delayed.

In fact, it might have even had different players at the final table. Gus Hansen went out in 10th place, and maybe he would have made it through the final-table bubble.

My point is that it would have been different. I don't doubt that Annette would still have had a great shot to take down the title, but everything would have been different for the other eight players at the table.

Different for the sake of being different isn't a good enough reason for me when we're talking about the biggest event in my profession. I really haven't heard any compelling reason why we needed to make such a drastic change to the Main Event.

Of course, I've been a little under the weather recently, so maybe I missed something.

Again, sorry I took some time off from my friends here at PokerListings. I'll be focused on healing for the tournaments coming up and will have lots of down time until then.

Stop by lizlieu.net and check out www.Chilipoker.com where I'll be playing. As always, thanks for all the comments. I missed you guys, and I'll be back soon.

Cheers!

-- Liz Lieu
Pro Poker Player- Poker Diva

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  1. Ultra

    2008-06-07

    Thanks for the blog Liz. I think you make some great points.

    The final table will certainly look different if there are several months between. Players will certainly get considerable amount of coaching and weaker players might close the skill gap and some momentum might be lost from a player who just happens to be in a zone that week. That seems a little unfair to tha particular player.

    From a competitive and player standpoint this is -EV. From a corporate, ratings and TV stand point it's +EV. From a fan's stand point its TBD.

  2. WSOP 2008

    2008-05-28

    Get well soon Liz

    It will be interesting to see how it works out its a huge gamble with their premier event.

  3. Stephen Dawson

    2008-05-17

    The changes to the WSOP are ridiculous. Imagine in any other sport the same applying - Roger Federer in a tie in a grand prix tennis match, Tiger Woods in a play off - imagine if they are then told to wait 4 months to play the rest of their matches. All sports rely on pyscological as well as physical pressures on opponents - spectators as well as players want to know the outcome on the day, not wait months on end for a result. And the players - what if a player at the Final table has travelled from Asia or another part of the world - they have to make the journey again a few months later? - With the benefit of television poker players can assess more than other sports how other players bluff and study their game - its totally unfair to players who have used their skills to have them analysed in advance of the players reconvening. - Harrahs have made a serious error of judgement that hasnt been well thought through to the detriment of the game.

  4. PokerMinx

    2008-05-16

    Very nice post. i hope you're feeling better soon!

    Very good points. I sent a letter to the Nevada Gaming commission about some of these same points.

    i told them that this change is of No Benefit to the players and only provides gains to the sponsors/promoters.

    Beyond that it puts the players at risk for outside sources contacting them with cheating and collusion schemes. (there's even been talk that hi tech companies will offer sophisticated micro chip sensors to players to aid in cheating).

    this change also subjects the players to a huge invasion to their privacy with probably no compensation (havent seen the release form yet).

    i felt that changing a major tournament structure for promotional benefit was not in compliance with "fair gaming".

    they did reply back, saying that many issues had been discussed and they were not in the possition to revise any decisions made at this time.

  5. John

    2008-05-15

    To be honest, I think far too much has been made of this. Making the final table is just as significant of an accomplishment today (both for its difficulty and financial reward) as winning the whole event just a few years ago. The game is drastically different and this will provide an exciting format for fans to enjoy the final table and being surprised by the outcome. These fans deserve some consideration. They have altered the meaning of pro, to some extent, because of sponsorship money. Perhaps Miller should add to the pool, but the change will be good. I'm a purist and originally was disturbed by the concept of Interleague Play, but now enjoy some of the mid-summer match up it has created. I'm sure all who make the final table won't be complaining.

  6. Dade Murphy

    2008-05-15

    The point about the WSOP Main Event being two separate events - the actual tournament and the WSOP ME Sit'N'Go - is excellent.
    Nice blog, Liz.

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