Hachem shocked by Main Event competition

oi!

If I remember correctly Hachem sucked out a few times when he pushed a lot of chips in the middle when he didn't need to. If the play is so bad, let the bad players give you there chips and shut up and quit whinin Joe. You are arrogance defined.... and in my opinion you make Phil Hellmuth look like a gentleman.

+1 heard from dozens of sources what a douche this guy is

Agreed he most likely is a douche. In fact, I've heard from dealers who have dealt to him that he is a cheap SOB. He stiffed my dealer friend on a pot in which he won over $50,000 dollars. He tipped 5 bucks.

I agree with everyone on here who dislikes him. However, I don't begrudge his comments. Armchair quarterbacking from the rail happens to the best of us, even a world champion like Hachem. I just don't think his rant is that egregious.

i understand he s reaction and your always a poker legend . it s normal after 1 week of stress and playing hardly and after you loose it s nt easy and ure reaction is nthg for us cause we now ho is rly poker stars joe hachem: intellectuel gentel pro and we now that he respect evry body go champion your nt like the others your the besttttttttt . carlos keirouz

hey all you all idiets and wsop is for the guys like joe and idiets cant play poker cause they dont now how 2 respect this game joe hahcem i love u and your a gentel and you will stay a gentell
go hachem go lebanon go australieeee go legend

susan he's not the same when dealing with women as he wants to get you all into bed. He's your typical sleeze. Put him at a table with me and I'd take all his chips and if he gave me lip for it he may think twice the nest time he feels like spewing at someone after his own bad play costs him his stack

such a load of shite these people are talking .ihave been watching joe a long time and he always has the curtisey off shaking anyones hand who puts him out ,alright he may talk a lot at the table but isnt that part off his game ,i also know joe has donated a lot off money to chartiy.wat about the the dealers im sure they get payed enough anyway its thee job at the end off the day !

I think that everyone should get off of joes back. He's right to say that the quality of play has gotten worse. Joes a great player and is a good champion

I agree with the previous post, calling players bleeping idiots and saying someone is garbage and doesnt have a brain and shouldnt be there is bullsh... On one hand poker pros will tell you that you have to be agressive and go after pots, but when they do and are caught then they are donkeys and they shouldnt be playing... At any rate a simple comment from Joe saying theres some really loose play, a lot of shaky all-ins, would be enough to say to your average poker player hey.... Theres a lot of dirty action going on here!

Maybe Joe should retire he seems to be disillusioned with the game he once loved.
He's a WSOP Champ but not a Poker Royale- Doyle is first in my book.
2.00 SnG's online well those have made PokerStars Famous so what's your cut Joe your contract will PokerStars must be generous so don't berate the micro-limit online player.

I played a few tournaments this year at the WSOP. I have been playing the WSOP for 5 years now. I have cashed each year, until this year where I did not (2 tournies, the 3rd i wanted to play got sold out).

I understand some of the stuff Joe is saying. I have been running into more and more hyper-aggressive players these days that basically make "automatic" moves. Example: They pick up 10 10, get raised and will shove on you. Then you snap call with the A A and the 10 rivers ya and you are out. Yes, this is poker and sometimes it is the luck of the cards, but how much skill is involved in that? It isn't everyone, but there has been more and more players that make more and more moves that it is difficult to make it deep in the tournaments on "skill". Basically, you need to have luck on your side more than skill these days.

I have seen with my own eyes the stuff that Joe is talking about. Absolutely horrendous plays, and a lot of horrendous plays turning into horrendous beats. In the "old" days of tournaments with 500 people, it was easier to wade through the dead money and make it deep, but there is SO much dead money these days, and in NLHE all it takes is one unlucky situation to end your tournament. He is right in saying that those guys will NEVER win a tournament, but in their course of action, they can take you out with them!

It has turned into a bit of slot machine poker these days. Put in the chips and see what the board brings - to hell with pot odds ("I had a feeling"), making reads ("I had AK suited, what else could I do") or studying your opponents ("I had 10 10, so what if he hasn't played a pot in an hour"). Fire it in and hope for the best. The most aggressive with the most luck seems to have the advantage these days, with the "good" players sometimes making it through the minefield without too many bad beats to make it to the final tables - sometimes.

Am I bitter? I played my ass off in one tourney by making some amazing reads, great laydowns and playing in the zone:

1. Laid down AQ on a Q high board only to be shown AA by my opponent.
2. Made a great read on an opponents all in on the turn when he had only a flush draw (that didn't get there)
3. Laid down KK on a Q high board only to be shown AA again
4. Got it all in with AA against my opponent WAY overplaying 77 to have a 7 flop and cripple me
5. Got it all in with AA with a (thank you) call by K10 in the bb only to have the 10 flop and the 3rd 10 spike on the end. FML.

Anyways, those are my feelings on WSOP 2009. Am I going to quit playing? No way! If this is the "new" poker, then I will adjust my game and work out a strategy that will combat this. Just like Hellmuth surprised everyone by winning the Main Event with his style of play, poker is constatly evolving and everyone has to evolve with it, or be left behind.

So, like I said, I can see what Joe was talking about, but the bottom line is - DEAL WITH IT. Adapt and grow as a player and the success with come.

Nicely said Cre4ture.

If we could only find a way to lure all these loose "tournament only" players into the ring games.....

I found it funny that you used the expression "slot machine" poker because I have been using that very same analogy for a year or two now. All the overplayed and missed hands with the continuation bluff hoping for the best.

It really does suck when you play your ass off and make all the right decisions only to take a huge beat at a critical point in the event by some horrible bluff into your made hand.

Oh well... I keep playing and hoping my correct reads hold up. Not much else you can do but get it in with the best of it and hope the slot machine player doesn't catch the two outer.