Calling is Underrated & Gives You a Lot of Info: thejericho2’s AMA on Reddit
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How can nit turn into a fearless top-tier player? Canadian Zoom $500 and NL5K regular thejericho2 answered this question during an extensive Ask Me Anything session — and we’ve compiled not only this but also other interesting questions and answers.
The Hero’s Journey
Q: Have you started from the microstakes tables or higher up? How big of a difference is it on the pressure made by players playing for high stakes compared to the lower echelons?
I started around 10 years ago at NL2, the v bottom! My starting bankroll was 50$. The high stakes players will put you in tough spots continuously; they give you no breaks. And they don’t like to give up either. At midstakes, you’ll get a Bvb hand where the reg clearly checked out and is just waiting to move on to the next hand. Or You’ll get a 3bet pot where you just know that once the reg checks the turn after c-betting, that he’s always check/fold. You always need to be 100% focused at high stakes otherwise, you’ll get eaten alive.
Q: Every half-decent nit already knows they should be betting more. They’ve seen the sims, and they still don’t do it. As is so often the case, their problem is not a lack of knowledge, but one of emotion. To me, nitty play looks a lot like avoidance: checking or folding makes the discomfort go away instantly and its cost is invisible, while a big bluff that gets snapped is public and immediate. It’s a feedback loop that reinforces fear-driven and suboptimal play.
So when you overhauled your game, what was actually in the way (fear of embarrassment, loss aversion), and what broke it? Did the theory convince you, or did you force yourself to take the aggressive line until the discomfort wore off (exposure therapy with a bankroll)? How long did it feel wrong before it felt normal?
Insane question! I had loss aversion. I come from a very cheap family where we were kind of always told that we were “poor” and that we never had any money. I was raised in a way that every purchase that was not 100% necessary was criticized and shamed. So obviously, in a way, this transcended into a big loss aversion. And if I’m completely honest, it never fully went away. The theory didn’t convince me even though I knew it was the right way to play. I just forced myself to take the aggressive line and live with the discomfort. If I’m being 100% honest, the discomfort never left. Whenever I bluff and jam the river, I cannot look at the table and I feel sick to my bones. I used to minimize the table fwiw whenever I would bluff so that I would take my attention off of it. It was more so the fact that I knew that in order to move up, I needed to change something. Otherwise, I would be stuck at small stakes forever.
Q: Can you describe the watershed moment which turned you from a nit into the aggressive player that you are today?
I was getting run over at NL200 lol. I was just being a nut peddler… And my results were not great; I knew that I needed to change something. I did a whole 180 and saw that it was way more fun to be aggro. The results eventually came along.
Q: When you transitioned from a nit to a redline-oriented player, which nodes or lines did you find easiest to overshoot into over-aggression? And which remained stubbornly under-aggressive despite your best efforts?
X/r flops and river raises are like the easiest ones to abuse imo. Turn raises are much harder to get OOL. River donking was quite unintuitive as well. Yeah, I used to be a super risk averse in real life. Now, I couldn’t care less. I see in real things way more in terms of EV since I started playing poker professionally, or like in terms of %. I try not to have any expectations. I treat life bad beats like 80/20s, AA vs KK getting cracked basically. Sucks when it happens but there is not much you can do about it and should just move on.
Q: What’s your daily routine?
Wake up early in the afternoon. Drink a bunch of water and kind of stay still in silence for like 30min. Head for a work out/stretch. Go to the pool and sauna (works best if the pool is not heated for thermal shock). Have lunch between 4-6pm. Grind form like 6-7pm until midnight. Review some HHs until 1am. Diner/cook from like 1am to 3 am. Watch something educational until 5am. Head to bed. Rinse and repeat.
Aggression in Poker
Q: What is your view on flop c-betting?
I don’t like deviating from solver play that early in the hand because it skews your whole range on later streets. I also hate to make big assumptions on player pools. You usually want to deviate from solver play and adapt to the player pool when you plan on staying at a stake for a long time. If you want to move up and head to higher stakes, I would suggest not to overly adapt to your current player pool
Q: What are the biggest signs you should double down on aggression? And when do you choose to give up?
It’s not so much about signs as it is to board runouts/blockers/unblockers imo. If the runout is good for my range and my blockers/unblockers are good, then yeah I fire. If the runout sucks for my range and my blockers/unblockers are bad, then I will most likely give up. RNG obviously plays a role in either case.
Q: When a solver suggests a marginal bluff or a thin raise, do you stick to the baseline GTO frequencies, or do you adjust to exploit the population and make those aggressive moves more often?
I stick to GTO and I assume that if I’m not reaping the benefits of the bluff now, I will reap them in the future.
Q: How do you actually review these aggressive spots in your database to make sure they are profitable?
Run them in the solver and make sure that I’m not spewing or getting OOL w frequencies.
Q: Which street is the most under-aggressed spot that you’ve seen from your students when looking at their hand histories and/or from MDA?
Tie between turn and river. Turn lacks the raises, river lack the barreling. I don’t like MDA at all tbh; it has its limitations. It’s good up until a certain limit and then it just doesn’t work.
Q: When playing red line style, we tend to be quite sticky. But there is also an old adage that, at mid low stakes, the folders are the ones who move up, because population underbluffs. How do you reconcile these 2 ideas?
I tend not to care at all about what the population does and make them adapt to my game instead of me adapting to their game. I trust the process even though it might not be the highest EV strat at that current stake; I know that it will benefit me later.
Q: Can you give some insight into the controlled aggression responses you find? Why don’t people find it, and if/why/how this goes beyond what could be easily gleaned from a solver please?
I mean, the RNG helps a lot in that regard. There are also combos that are great for bluffing like 22 for example. I know some regs that will bluff w 22 EVERY TIME. I doubt that they are using an RNG. Or they will bluff every time with the Ah flush blocker on the 3 flush board, etc.
Q: Would you find bluff combos based more on blockers and board interaction or hands that we unblock for our opponent?
Blockers/unblockers are everything. Like sure, when you are bottom of range and have near nut low, it doesn’t matter if your blockers/unblockers are bad, the money is still going in. I’m going to answer like Doug here and say that “it depends on the situation”. For bluffing, you generally want blockers. For calling, you generally want unblockers. But like I said, it depends on the situation and this is nowhere near to be set in stone.
Q: How does this aggressive online style translate to NL1/2 live? Where I live bans online poker and the smallest game I can play is NL1/2?
You can apply this aggressive style when you are HU in a hand. In multiway pots, which should be the majority of the hands at 1/2 live, I would suggest to be quite passive and wait for the goods.
Useful Takeaways & Advice for Poker & Life
Q: What is the one concept about mastering the red line that you wish you knew about when you started playing poker?
Calling is underrated and gives you a lot of info.
Q: As a pro, how do you deconstruct your red line to figure out what is truly indicative of poor play?
The number one mistake that happens is that you start wanting to win every single hand. And you keep pushing the boundaries more and more. And then, you stop RNGing. Every blocker is a reason to bet, every unblocker is a reason to raise, every good runout is a reason to go all-in. That would be poor play; when it goes from aggressive play to spewing. Though to be fair, sometimes the line between both is mighty thin.
Q: Are there any standard / winning plays from your early days that you’ve found to be a massive leak in modern day?
There used to be a play that worked all the time back in the day. You would flat an IP open from the BB. You would x/c flop. Turn would go x/x. And then once IP would reopen the action on the river with a bet, you could raise almost any two and you would generate a fold. That is not the case anymore and I find that line from BB’s perspective to be quite regfishy to be honest.
Q: Do elite players construct ranges in game?
Elite players construct their strat before the hand happens. Usually it goes, one sizing on the flop, one sizing on the turn, two sizing on the river. That way gives you the most accuracy with your range when you get to the river. And you can realistically know quite well with how many value combos and bluffing combos you get there with.
Q: When you are playing an elite player, how do you identify leaks in their game?
Elite players basically know all the spots. So sometimes, something peculiar will ring a bell. For example, I’ll play a hand where I c-bet flop and get x/r (SRP CO vs BB let’s say). Turn comes and the villain uses a sizing that just isn’t right for the spot. I’ll write down the spot so that I can study it later. After my sesh, I’ll run to the spot and double check the villain’s play. If the play turns out to be incorrect or not a thing in PIO or Wizard, I’ll just assume that the villain was playing his hand and not his range. That usually happens when someone doesn’t know the spot; they will defer to their hand strength and play face-up.
Q: Which pro do you think is the biggest red line sicko?
It used to be Stefan/LuckyCPS. Nowadays, I think that Davy is really into redlining with a lot of raising and such.
Q: What can I do as a NL2 player as a first step to improve my red line?
Not sure given that I was a huge nit when I played there. I would prolly say to call down quite a lot; there must be some crazy spews/bluffs at those stakes given that it’s almost like play money.
Q: Did you ever take on coaching, and if so, at what point did you consider?
I had coaching back in the day when I was trying to move up from Zoom $200 to $500. That jump was massive, both in terms of skills and bankroll requirements. It helped me build my game in a more structured way and gave me a new set of eyes on how to approach the game. From my personal experience, one should start looking for a coach when you’ve hit a brick wall or when you want to save some time.
Q: Beyond mastering fundamentals like range interactions and blocker effects, is there another key to developing the ability to play unfamiliar spots at a high level?
I mean, whenever you encounter a spot that you don’t know, you’re always going to be improvising and trying to do what you assume to be correct. When those spots happen, your creativity kicks in. Playing a lot and getting into many unknown spots does help. Also, watching HHs from high stakes sickos is always cool. I watch a lot of HHs from the guys that play super high and it helps develop those abilities.
Q: At high stakes, where everyone knows their MDF and blockers, does your red line stay positive naturally from playing GTO and picking small and medium pots, or do you actively overbluff certain spots to keep it up?
It naturally stays up usually. There are stretches where it will go down though. Especially when you have one of those sessions where you’re giving up a lot because of blockers/runout or you just have hands that naturally want to c/c/f.
Q: You need to focus, but you also have to control your emotions. How do you achieve both?
There are timing tells, sure. And I’ll read into them to some degree at times. But to be honest, if a combo is a call, I am calling it unless I’m vs a nit fish or unless I have a dead read. I never tilted but I would curse a lot when playing if I was running bad. Not the way to go. I took some mental coaching lessons and it helped me quite a lot. I also did a lot of work on myself. When the cards are not going my way, I tell myself that if I stick to my winning strat and keep calling what I need to call and keep folding what I need to fold, I will be fine in the long run. That’s it. Easier said than done though.
Q: What lesson or idea have you learned outside of poker that most impacted your poker game, and then a lesson or idea from poker that most impacted your life outside of poker?
Learned outside of poker: to be in tune with my emotions and to accept them. Learned because of poker: trusting the process.
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