Top 7 Signs You're a TAGfish
Everyone knows today's online games are heavily populated with tight-aggressive players (otherwise known as TAGs).
But to go along with these good, money-making TAGs there's a growing number of break-even or slightly losing regulars known as TAGfish.
On the surface, it may be hard to distinguish a TAGfish from a winning regular. He buys in full, tops up every hand, has decent enough stats and plays what he thinks is good poker. But he can't seem to win.
That's because there's more to poker than having good stats. Poker is a thinking man's game; you can't just imitate what you've read and become some money-printing robot.
You have to be able to apply what you've learned and make good decisions each time the action is on you.
A TAGfish doesn't. He just plays the same game all day, every day no matter the situation. And he perpetually loses/breaks even, thinking he's the most unlucky player on the face of the earth.
These are the signs you're that guy:
1) You think about your opponent's range but never your own
Everyone knows you have to try to put your opponent on a range. It's one of the most fundamental skills in poker.
But a TAGfish doesn't think about his own range in doing so. An opponent is going to play the hand a few different ways according to what he thinks you have.
You'll never be able to accurately put your opponent on a range without first thinking about your own perceived range.
2) You misapply skills you've learned
A TAGfish tries to learn to play better poker. He watches videos, read articles and studies the game extensively. But he misapplies the information he's learned.
He'll learn that continuation betting and giving up is bad, so he'll just fire every second barrel.
He'll learn that to exploit players that c-bet too much you can float the flop and take away the pot on the turn, but he'll float with pure air instead of gutshots or hands with backdoor capabilities.
He'll learn that three-betting light is profitable, but he'll do it regardless of his opponent's three-bet calling frequency. And he'll do it with the wrong hands.
He only learns half the skills. He knows what to do, but then misapplies when he should be doing it and who he should be doing it against.
3) You call the same range in the cut-off as you do on the button
A TAGfish treats the cut-off and the button as the exact same position. If an opponent raises from early position, he'll call in the cut-off with 6♥ 9♥ thinking it's perfectly fine because he'll be playing the pot in position.
But that just isn't the case. You've still got one more player to act behind you and if he's any good, he can make your life a living hell.
That player can three-bet with impunity whenever you call with your weak, speculative hand, he can call and steal your post-flop position and he can punish you after the flop.
Where good TAGs abuse the button, a TAGfish allows himself to be abused by the button.
4) You overestimate your implied odds
A TAGfish thinks every time he makes the nuts he's going to win a stack. He thinks if he calls from the blinds with a pocket pair and nails a set, he's going to win an opponent's whole stack every time.
So he calls with his speculative hands post-flop, check-folds when he misses and, when he finally makes that huge hand, he makes his opponent fold.
He bleeds all his money trying to hit that hand and then when he does hit, he never makes that money back.
5) You have leaks post-flop
A TAGfish typically plays fine pre-flop. He has that part of the game solved to a degree.
He knows he can't limp Q9o upfront and expect to show a profit. He knows AK needs to be raised for value, etc. But once the flop comes, his mistakes start to compound.
Knowing when to fold pre-flop is easy. But knowing when to ditch top pair, bad kicker isn't. Knowing when to double barrel and when to triple barrel is hard.
A TAGfish plays his own cards too often and the situation and his opponents not nearly enough.
6) You look at each decision as a separate entity
A TAGfish gets caught up in a tough decision and thinks, "Man, this spot sucks. What the hell do I do?"
Really, it's not what he just did that put him in that spot; it's what he did earlier in the hand.
He doesn't have a plan in mind for the hand. He just acts and figures it out from there. He plays reactive poker instead of proactive poker.
7) You tilt too much
A TAGfish doesn't tilt in the true "five-bet ship 58o" sense of the word.
But when he's losing, he definitely doesn't play his best. He rushes decisions. He slips into auto pilot. And, worst of all, he plays far too long.
A TAGfish loves trying to get unstuck and will play all day trying to get unstuck - all the while playing C-game poker. Yet when he has a winning day, he'll quit early and play small sessions, booking a small win.
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If this sounds a lot like you, don't worry. TAGfish syndrome is curable.
The answer: concentrate on making the best decision every single time the action is on you and take your time. Sometimes the best possible play won't come to you right away.
But if you do your best to think about the benefits of each possible decision, you'll be making more good decisions and less bad ones.
If you want to win more money - and stop being a TAGfish - that's exactly where you need to start.
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Comments
21smith
2009-10-06Great article.
I guess I am SOMETIMES a TAGfish.
Well only when I'm playing my C game.
Sometimes I play the standard short stack strategy on 12-16 tables and I slip into "auto pilot".
I don't play my A game enough. But overall most of this doesn't apply to me, only on some days.
This article should mention multi tabling too. Cause I can play my A game much easier on 1-4 tables than 12-16 obviously.
I'm not a break even or losing player, but I'm a slow winning player..... but it does feel like I'm "the most unlucky player on the face of the earth." ;);)
Snake
2009-10-06True. All true.
I`m currently adjusting my game to 6max cash games and I see how much harder it is to win money here in comparison to 6 handed sit`n go i used to play.
I have evolved form fish to TAGfish (I`m breaking even) now. It`s time to take the next step...
Thomas hermans
2009-10-06Looks like me
Timbo
2009-10-06TAGfish and proud.
Staffan
2009-10-07Nice to see that you still do great work Dan. Did you come up with the term TAGfish yourself?
Daniel Skolovy
2009-10-07Thanks Staffan.
But no I didn't come up with TAGfish on my own. Though, it is a relatively new term coined within the last year or so. They also go by REGfish or rakeback grinders.
bennie99
2009-10-08Yup, bit of a tag fish. I'd like to think we are the best fish, above green and yellow though!
I think I do 1 and 3 most often. I seldon do 4 and 5, but sometimes I do tilt if I'm not doing well and I feel like I'm running badly (which isn't always the case!). So I'm kind of half way, I just need to work on those particulary situtions.
Lloyd
2009-10-08Wow excellent article... Opened my eyes... OMG im a TagFish... But how else do u play in a extremely loose 6 handed game...?
Sheri Victora
2009-10-09Nice article! Well thought out break down of problem traits.
MSgtBoomer
2009-10-10Hi Daniel: I no not know why I only get 50% wins on average of (1-2, or 2-5 hold-em games), when I get the best hand (straight), and I continue to bet on the flop, and bet again on the turn card (with the Nuts)!
I see two possible flush cards, I will bet big (or go all in) to stop the other player before hiting a flush? Even though I have 75% chance to win, my opponents will beat me as much as I do? What is wrong with my play? Am I just too unlucky to win more hands than my 50% (of these loses for 4-5 days a week for 3 years)? Thanks
jj
2009-10-14an eye opening article... I thought I was a good unlucky player, but it turns out I am probably a TAGfish. Can you post a follow up article with more details on curing the TAGfish syndrome?
bennie99
2009-10-17I agree with JJ, a more specific article on how to move past being a tagfish would be helpful.
PokerAnon
2009-11-11Good article; I had heard the term used before with a bit of a definition, but it's nice to have something in writing that lists different contributing elements.
And, consider this another vote for looking more into how to work with each of these defined aspects!
Apparently a TAGFish
2009-11-25Much like JJ & bennie99 I would love to see additional work on this subject. Currently, I am definitely a TAGFish, but like to believe with any level of experience I could move beyond that.
rick
2009-11-29Very insightful article and hits home a lot. For me, the number thing comes to maintaining focus throughout the entire session. I tend to start off playing well and my A game but slowly silp into C mode as the session progresses, caused by several factors ... pace of game, card-dead, getting tired, losing few pots, etc.
Thanks for the insight and will definitely look to improve my game.
donnie
2009-12-01yep...playing 1/2 nl for abut three months and I'm finally playing break even poker...now its time to stop being a TAGfish...If it wasn't the articles on this website I would still be a total FISH
John
2009-12-03Thank you for this FANTASTIC article. I do recognize myself to a certain degree in many of the points you made.
Thank you for pointing out these very subtle but very important tips.
Very astute ibservations.
Thanks
Aditya
2009-12-12I too would love a follow-up article on how to avoid being a TAGfish!
Daniel
2009-12-16Thank you for this article this is me to tee i really needed to read that and sit back!
doeboy132
2009-12-23So What this article is saying is if your thinking about making poker your full time job you must know how to play every game on a top level, when playing Hold'em you don't play your hand you play your opponent's and also play Hold'em as if you are playing chess you always want to be at least 3 moves ahead, Learn how to confuse everyone you are playing against by giving false tells such as maybe when you have a hand go to show down and you were dealt a strong hand and you noticed that maybe you shuffled your chips before betting,well do the same thing when you are bluffing, also learning the importance of pot odds and implyed odds, And although you may think it is a good idea to try playing the same way as a top pro not a good idea you can take bits and pieces from other player but you must form your own techniques and stratagys,when you sit at a table study each players style in order to pick up tells also give yourself an image at the table before you start to play big pots if you want to have a tight image then sit back for awhile until you believe you have been tagged as the image you want and also slow playing hands can cost you money there for learning how to get max value from every hand you are involved in witch takes alot of practice cause slow playing and trapping two different things and many players do not understand that. Trapping a player means just that think about what the other player puts you on then play the hand that way if u think he is putting you on a draw then bet as if you are on a draw,if he puts you on air missing the flop play it that way, and if he puts you on the nuts the play it that way, slow playing is highly over-rated and will cost you money by you checking you may allow the player to cetch up or by checking you give him control of the hand and puts you in a difficult spot remember you always want to be in control of every hand you are in and knowing where you stand meaning you pretty much have good reads on what the other player has n this is when poker becomes fun and quite profitable. Do Not Play Blind Poker!
Sue D. Nymme
2010-01-27This article describes TAGfish syndrome nicely. I recognize some of those traits in myself. But the advice at the end is pretty useless.
"Do your best to think about the benefits of each possible decision" -- but as described in point 2, the TAGfish thinks he IS making good decisions. He's just wrong.
"Play better poker, you dope" is good advice, but not very helpful. Perhaps the author could follow up with more articles, addressing each point in more depth.
Thanks for the article, Dan.