The Session is back (and this time it's personal). For your enjoyment today we have part two of the scintillating discussion PokerListings.com had with top online pros Whitelime and Pr1nnyraid. If you haven't already read part one we strongly suggest you click through and get up to speed.
For those of you not in the know, the Session is an ongoing series of discussions here at PL.com. We sit down around the virtual table with the biggest online players in the game, and a few of our in-house writers, in an attempt to break out of the traditional question-and-answer format poker interview.
Emil Patel and Jay Rosenkrantz
Today Emil Patel, aka Whitelime, and Jay Rosenkrantz, aka Pr1nnyraid, will continue to illuminate our minds with tales of living on the line between high-stakes professional and gambling degenerate. Either that or they'll just talk about some ridiculous prop bets.
Daniel Skolovy: OK, next question. I've noticed a lot of the nosebleed games running recently have been almost exclusively Omaha. What's the biggest reason for this?
Krantz: Four cards?
Whitelime: I think the best players are comparatively further behind in the Pot-Limit Omaha learning curve compared to No-Limit Hold'em. Everyone feels like there are a lot of exploitable leaks that players in those games have and I would bet that they are all probably correct.
The game is also much swingier than NLHE so bad players can be given the illusion that they're winning players for much longer periods of time.
Krantz: Yeah, there are weaker players, including the two of us whenever we played. We actually have a standing stipulation where if either of us sets foot in any of those games before we learn how to play we owe a huge sum of money to charity.
DS: Sounds like a little prop bet is brewing there. Do you guys have any other prop bet stories?
Whitelime: Oh man, so many to talk about.
Krantz: The pool bet! That f**king shot you hit against me last summer.
Whitelime: Haha, that's a good one if you want to tell them about it.
Krantz: We're playing eight ball and I'm down to the eight ball but it's Emil's shot. The eight ball is literally teetering on the edge of the corner pocket, easy make (btw, both of us suck at billiards). And Emil's ball is directly nudged next to it and basically impossible to sink without him hitting the eight ball in. So that's the setup.
Whitelime: Also, Ariel [FoxwoodsFiend] who is very good is watching and commenting on how the shot is impossible.
Krantz: We're already betting like $5k on the game and Emil gets me to give him something like 50-1 on $5k that he can make this shot. Maybe it was a little less than that, like 100-1 on $1k ... something ridiculous though.
So Emil lines up, shoots, and the cue ball somehow manages to hit the side of his ball and knock it into the middle pocket, and the cue ball also jumps off the table onto the rail, then jumps onto the middle rail!, then rolls back somehow onto the table right behind the eight ball.
I'm convinced a professional pool player has no chance in hell at hitting that shot.
DS: So this was a screw-up gone right for Emil?
Whitelime: Nah, I had it under control the whole time.
Krantz: It was like the god of luck manifested himself for one night on earth and decided to visit Emil for a few minutes and say what's up.
DS: How much run-good do you feel you sacrificed on that one shot?
Krantz: Apparently, not that much because Ariel then prop bet me that I couldn't hit the shot if they re-created the scenario 20 times, and I hit it on the 14th try or so.
Matt Showell: So what was the final payout on all that?
Whitelime: I can't remember. I think afterward, we did a ton of rock-paper-scissors and Jay won a bunch of money back.
DS: OK, next question. There seems to be a bit of a line drawn these days between online and live pros. How do you feel about the big-name live pros that everyone knows?
Krantz: Ihave a lot of respect for what they've done for poker. Without those guys, I likely wouldn't be doing this for a living right now. I think they did a great job of commercializing poker. They're like the founding fathers.
DS: Do you agree with the idea that the best players in the game are from the online camp?
Whitelime: I think that's really hard to generalize [about]. It depends a lot on the specific player and game we're talking about.
Krantz: Right. If some of those guys spent a year studying and playing online poker, they'd likely emerge to be some of the best online guys.
Whitelime: A lot of "live pros" get a bad rap because someone will see them play a NLHE hand poorly but in reality, NLHE might be their eighth-best game.
Also, I think there's a general feeling that any online player can sit down at a live table and crush the game.
Having played a good amount of live poker myself, I can definitely say that there are numerous intricacies in live poker that require a reasonable amount of experience to learn.
The way you speak, the way you move your chips out, the way you look at your cards, how much time you take to take a specific action, the way you stack your chips before putting a bet out, the way you look at the flop. I could go on and on.
A lot of people think that the biggest "live poker" skill is reading someone's face. I think that's probably like 89th on the list of important live poker skills.
MS: Cool. We've got time for one last question. You guys have a new instructional site, deucescracked.com, and we were hoping for a bit of insider info. Tell us a bit about what we can expect from your videos.
Krantz: We have some very cool things planned and I'm not a big fan of saying that because people are going to be expecting things. But this is stuff that people will get very excited about.
FoxwoodsFiend and I have been working on a series of high-stakes videos that have never been done anywhere. I can't let that cat out of the bag or people will yell at me, but suffice it to say that if you're not a DC member, sign up as soon as possible.
MS: Nice. That's all the time we have this time around so our thanks to both of you for your insights.
DS: Thanks guys.
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Patel and Rosenkrantz represent that tiny slice of the poker-player pie that have had huge success in their short careers. Whitelime started out grinding freerolls and promotional deals, building his bankroll up to $170. Moving up through the limits he would end up playing, and winning, in some of the biggest games on the Internet.
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