2009 Aug 14

PA jury finds poker a game of chance

By: PokerListings.com

A Pennsylvania man whose chief defense was that poker is a game of skill was found guilty of illegal gambling Thursday.

Lawrence Burns, 65, was charged with twelve different illegal gambling misdemeanors in 2007 when authorities discovered he'd been running poker tournaments at two local fire halls in Westmoreland County, PA, just outside of Pittsburgh.

Burns admitted to organizing the tournaments, but argued in court it wasn't gambling because Texas Hold'em is a skill game.

Pennsylvania law defines gambling as something where a payment is made, there is the possibility of a reward and the outcome is determined by chance.

Lawyers for Mr. Burns argued that since the application of learned techniques increases your win rate in poker, it must be defined as a game of skill.

University of Denver professor Dr. Robert Hannum testified in Burns' defense claiming poker is not a game of chance referencing a computer simulation that showed skilled players winning 960 million times out of one billion over non-skilled players.

Dr. Hannum also testified in a similar case in Colorado where the defendant was acquitted.

His testimony was subsequently stricken by a higher court and that decision is currently being appealed in the Colorado Supreme Court.

Susquehanna University professor Matthew Rousu also testified in the Burns trial that poker is a game of skill.

After two hours of deliberation, a 12-person jury disagreed, finding Burns guilty on all counts Thursday.

The local district attorney said he would not seek jail time and Burns is planning to appeal.

Comments

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  1. Adam

    2010-05-08

    The fact that the jury (made of average citizens) thinks poker is a game of chance illustrates why there's so much money to be made in poker.

  2. Daniel is a douche

    2009-12-03

    You're the only oxy-moron I see around here, bud.

  3. daniel

    2009-11-04

    Doyle Brunson mastered the game of Texas Hold'em long before TV made the game wildly popular. Many years ago he wrote "Super System" in which he detailed the knowledge and skills that he acquired from experience and that allowed him to dominate and win money in most any game he played on the Texas circuit.

    Notice that every book written about Texas Hold'em today is a poker theory stepchild of "Super System". In other words, virtually all of modern poker theory and practice was invented by Doyle Brunson. He is known as the living legend for a reason and any smart attorney (oxymoron?) would do well
    to bring Mr. Brunson to the courtroom to explain to the unknowing jurors why this is in fact very much a game of skill.

  4. UK

    2009-08-16

    WTG free country

  5. Godhelpme

    2009-08-16

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_retardation

  6. BP

    2009-08-16

    Sad when adults can't play poker without the church getting involved.

  7. kevin

    2009-08-15

    This country is run by conservative right wing Christians, nothing out of expectations.

    Hold the trial in California, New York, or Florida and it would have a different outcome.

  8. Ace Gamble

    2009-08-15

    Amazing this can stand when don't allow expert Testimony to be heard...

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