Full Tilt sued over bot accusation
Two players accused of running bot software on Full Tilt Poker are now suing the online poker site.
Lary "pokergirl_z" Kennedy and Greg Omotoy filed a complaint in the Superior Court of California this week accusing Full Tilt Poker, all the members of Team Full Tilt, Full Tilt Pro Perry Friedman and TiltWare CEO Ray Bitar of fraud, false advertising, racketeering, unjust enrichment, libel and slander.
According to the suit, Full Tilt confiscated more than $80,000 from the two player's accounts after accusing them of using poker bot software.
Kennedy, who used both accounts after Omotoy abandoned his, claims she never used a bot or computer program and attempts to clear her name using a webcam to broadcast images of her actually playing were ignored by the site.
The lawsuit also accuses Full Tilt of a number of indiscretions, making several insinuations about the inner-workings of the organization.
Included in the allegations are claims that Team Full Tilt's Chris Ferguson and Andy Bloch created poker bots to fill out online tables and generate revenue for the site and that Team Full Tilt members are playing on the site using company revenues, which is akin to being the house in a casino and therefore contrary to the site's claims it is not a gambling website.
Kennedy and Omotoy are seeking compensatory and punitive damages to be determined by the court based on Full Tilt's revenues.
Full Tilt Poker declined PokerListings' requests to comment on the suit.
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Comments
11Roland
2010-12-31Ivey , Lederer , Furgeson and all those Fulltilt guys worst than a whore, they rigg the site and gather all the fucking cash and we
idiots hand it out to them, who the fuck wants to play against the
pros , fuck the pros i just wanna have fun a win a little thats all
i need, i dont need the fucking pros that come in a ripp my hard earned money out. fuck em. Ivey complained , that i spoil
his online bussiness haha , because i tell the people that fulltilt
is a cheating companie. Ivey was proud of his playin results on
fulltilt , he said that he's making a few hundred k, only at the time he i answering me, hahah of course he is makin it. I told
Ivey he can come up to my site and play he headsup, he would
never ever win a single session this fucker. he didnt answer anymore the idiot . they can allllllways look into our hands,
its an unregulated bussiness and they know it and they are using every treat and angle to steal our money they can see
our holecards any time they want, they do the rigging of the
software to there needs and we donkeys are all stupid enough
to deliver our hard earned money on the silverplate to these
cheaters . How long ? I stopped it hahahha , do what you wanna do, they can take your money any time they want.
Jeff's Gotten Smarter
2010-04-07I couldn't agree more. My sample size is fairly large, haven played there for about 6 years now. I've lost over $20K. I know, I know, a loser's lament?
Nope. When I play live, I've had remarkably good runs. Profitably up over the last 10 years.
Let's be realistic. People would kill their grandmother for $10 in this world. Why do we expect fairness from an online gaming site?>
baldyb220
2010-03-21As far as i am concerned full tilt ultimate bet and that other one that had a scam a few yrs ago should be left alone. ridiculous games and bad beats. Also how can you be part of a company and play on that site should not be allowed when you have a part ownership of the business. Its like working for a lottery company and you picking the correct numbers if u win cant and shouldnt happen. Ivey and co shd not be allowed to play on their own site if they are co owners of the business!
Full Tilt Blows
2010-03-05I have been convinced Full Tilt is rigged for years now. I have personally seen Hundreds of thousands of hands on their site and the variance is so far off it is a joke. I closed my account and would never play there again, and I left up almost 10K in profits.
I asked them numerous times to offer insurance or side action, it would legitimize their deal, and I would make tons on pitiful bad beats of 2 and 3 outers. They won't even acknowledge the idea, cause they know it will expose them.
badbeats
2010-03-04I think that you see more bad beats in tourneys just because of the fact that there are a lot more all-ins going on with hands that you wouldn't normally push with in cash games. Once you reach 10bb and under then it's push a shove time. In most tournaments you play you will be forced to play hands that aren't that great. So when AK gets beat by AQ,AJ,AT a few times in a row then that gets engraved in our minds and automatically believe that the game's rigged.
so lizard, if you post your hands somewhere online i'de like to take a look at them. But if it is a small sample size then what you are going through is normal.
Sean Lind
2010-01-15Lizard,
One thing you need to take into account, is you're only seeing the cards of opponents who actually play them. The majority of tournament players are only playing "good hands" in "good spots", while in a cash game you'll have people 3 and 4-betting light.
You're going to see far more sick beats, and seemingly random bad hands in the mix in cash games than you are in tournaments.
LizardOfOdds
2010-01-15I believe that if you analzye my hand history on Full Tilt, you will find an enormous statistical deviation of fairly bad beats against statistically rare good hands in Ring Games, while the cards seem to have been dealt more randomly in tournaments. I've lost $3000 in three weeks, but I'm a fairly skilled player. I've wondered whether bots could be cheating my in ring games myself. Do these folks allegations have any additional corroborating evidence? I'd like to know. Incredible unlikely 9 to 1 wins against me with players raising before they could suspect they had anything with me reraising with something. Seems incredible to me. I can't say I trust the site. We've heard about what happened at Ultimate Bet and insiders cheating. Would be good to do a covert surveillance on their systems and networks and see if any of this turns up or not. They make enough money already, 210 million in 2006 alone for Full Tilt, from over 2 billion in bets placed, reportedly according to some Internet articles I found, that using bots that cheat or running software to stack cards is abhorrent.
really
2009-12-23The thing I am confused about is how can players from the U.S. and other Country's that have yet to ligalize online poker witch means that the U.S. in the case is not making any money off these sites so why or how can this be brought into a U.S. courtroom? I have thought if you gamble online you play at your own risk am I wrong? And also i thought Cali was one of the states to actually ban online gambling and blocking anyone's I.P. address from the state to actually play? So if this were to be true this means that both parties should be found guilty and have this thrown out and not waste tax payers money on something the state makes no money on in the first place
david warner
2009-10-17so if ft are shown to be cheats i presume i will be able to claim every penny back from them what i have lost? would seem correct to me
ALEX
2009-10-08Poker is my live,and I play it for living,there is not a thing I wouldn"t do to help poker growth but online poker and even live tournaments ,which is what I really play,no cash,are cheating big in many ways, and they have not assure me in any way that it is fair and when I say fair I am talking to every one.
Online cheating ,in my view,is what is holding poker from taking over the world of sports sooner but there is such a greed perhaps this won"t happened for long.
Cheating is so extensive that in my plan there are two ways to make money, that is winning by playing better than my opponents or winning by catching a casino or website cheating with strong evidence.
MoosBoy
2009-10-07You can survey ten thousand whorehouses and not find as much screwing as goes on in online poker.