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What's Up with the Pros?

Created By: Liz Lieu Posted in: Liz Lieu's Poker Diva Blog
2008 Jul 2
Liz Lieu

What a list of winners we've had this WSOP.

As the World Series winds down to the Main Event this week, here are a few of the pros who have grabbed bracelets away from the mob of poker wannabes who've crowded into the Rio the last five weeks:

John Phan, Erick Lindgren, Barry Greenstein, David Benyamine, J.C. Tran, Nenad Medic, David Singer, Layne Flack, Dario Minieri, Blair Hinkle, Daniel Negreanu, Vanessa Selbst, Mike Matusow, Max Pescatori, David Woo, Kenny Tran, Phil Galfond and the ageless Scotty Nguyen.

My friend Nolan Dalla at the WSOP says pros have won 36 bracelets this summer compared to 11 by amateurs. But why have we seen the rush of pros taking down so many bracelets this year?

Here are three reasons I see for all the success (and hopefully I can join in as well!):

1) More pros playing more tournaments. Simply put, there are more men and women who play poker for a living than ever before. The under-25-year-old crowd mostly got their start online and have made the transition to live poker well.

Many of these new pros (young and old) have played more tournaments in the last two years than I've played in my life.

Three bracelet winners come to mind when I think about this. Phil "OMGClayAiken" Galfond plays nosebleed stakes on Full Tilt, and taking down the $5k PLO event was good for $817k.

Svetlana Gromenkova
Gromenkova: Learned the ropes at PokerStars.

Svetlana Gromenkova won $224k by winning the Ladies Event, and she learned her poker playing all the time at PokerStars as well as in Atlantic City.

Most people probably hadn't heard of Scott Seiver until he won $755k by taking down the $5k NLHE event this year. He cashed three times last year at the WSOP, and has now cashed four times this year.

Add the $175k he won for a runner-up finish earlier this year at the PokerStars Sunday Million, and that's closing in on a million dollars he's banked this year.

There is no longer a stigma to players who got their start online, and they've become knowledgeable and experienced through thousands and thousands of hands. You also see a big increase in the number of pros who are playing many events during the World Series.

Some pros used to focus even more on the juicy cash games going on than on tournaments, but I see more players living in the Amazon Room day after day. You can't win the lottery if you don't buy a ticket, and playing more events gives pros more of a chance to take home the top prize.

Daniel Negreanu
It took a while, but live pros have finally started taking online players seriously.

2) Adjustments by pros. When online poker was exploding, many pros looked down on online players. These kids made wild moves at any time while speaking a poker language foreign to many of us. I think a couple of things have happened in the last two years.

First, pros have made adjustments to this new game. I can't explain the specifics of this, but we've just learned to pick off the bluff shoves and make the steal calls in abnormal situations.

Second, the edge within the pro community, I think, has gotten narrower. More players can change gears than ever before. Known for playing very aggressively, I used to be considered a bit strange.

Today there are many more very aggressive players, and I now consider myself selectively aggressive and a gear changer rather than just an uber-aggro player.

Liz Lieu
Lieu: First female Main Event winner?

3) Better structure. I think Harrah's finally understood what folks like the Venetian and online sites learned early: poker players like deeper, better structures.

When poker is forced to become a shove-fest, the edge pros have drops. Better structures mean more play, subtle moves, pot control, getting away from hands. Better structures lead to more pros at final tables.

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Will we have a pro take down the Main Event this year? I'm sure we'll see at least a couple pros at the Final Table, and I think this is the best chance in many years to see a pro take down the Main Event.

And I'm hoping that we'll see the first female Main Event winner to boot!

Cheers!

-- Liz Lieu
Pro Poker Player- Poker Diva

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Comments

13
  1. Wendy

    2008-07-02

    Gl in the Main Event Liz :)

  2. Mountain View

    2008-07-03

    Liz, you played a lot of events and only cashed a small amount once. you and your sponsor must be disapointed about your results and exposure considering other females have done so well. Is it down to focus? do players put more or less effort into tournaments when they have a sponsor paying their entry fee as opposed to if it was your own money? Bonne Chance!

  3. LizLieu

    2008-07-03

    Mountain View - - I think I’ve played a total of 8 events. Compared to some of the other pro’s I play a pretty light WSOP schedule. Obviously, I would like to have better results. My sponsor isn’t disappointed at all, however. The deal I have with Chilipoker is a long term deal. The WSOP is just one month out of an entire year. I understand it’s a huge stage and the WSOP is important but Chilipoker doesn’t judge the value of the deal based on this month alone. All I can do is try and play my very best. That’s tournament poker. You can play fantastic poker and not have many results in the short term. Every poker player goes through this. I play every tournament to win. I’m fully vested either way. If a Sponsor pays for my buy-in, I want to show them a return on investment. If I pay for a buy-in, I want to show a profit as well. I put in the same effort either way.


    Wendy - - Thank you! :) Hope all is well.

  4. zico

    2008-07-03

    No worries, Liz, I think you are doing fine. I have been following up on your plays and got to admit you were simply unlucky. Well, that is how tourney goes. Phil Ivey has played much more events but has not cashed in any hold'em game yet. Other top female players like Jennifer Harman and Annie Duke have also only cashed in once. So don't be discouraged, have fun and all the best for the Main Event.

  5. Mountain View

    2008-07-03

    i agree with those comments sico absolutely, and the old school poker players like liz, jennifer and annie have to be admired for what they used to contribute to the game, i think the upcoming young female stars have a great future thats all like Ahn Le and Vanessa etc. Bonne Chance !

  6. Palo Alto

    2008-07-03

    Hi Liz,

    us girls have to stick together and I wish you all the best for the main event.

    By the way Luv the engagement rock !!

    Take care and blog soon

  7. Amy

    2008-07-04

    Engaged? To whom?

  8. Donna

    2008-07-04

    Wow, Some people can be so mean. Just to let you know Mountain View I played a WSOP No-Limit game with Liz. and I have to say 2 guys at the table got pocket A,s and floped the set, Atleast 5 times it was so sick. Liz and I were not one of the lucky ones at the table. she got knocked out with a set of Q,s. To of course the guy hitting his set of A,s on the flop. So even though she played well she got unlucky.

  9. crymeariver

    2008-07-04

    you cant be "unlucky"in poker - it is a game of skill so they say. stick to the knitting !!

  10. helena

    2008-07-05

    my its a beautiful engagement ring - who what why when ??

  11. Ultra

    2008-07-06

    Where do you gals see an engagment ring? What picture are you looking at? In the picture above, both hands under chin, I see two rings but neither of them are on the engagement finger. Just curious what picture you are looking at. But yes, they are beautiful rings.

  12. Ultra

    2008-07-06

    Crymeariver,
    Huh? Wat? Poker is a game of chance and skill. In the short term "luck" plays a big role in the long term, skill plays a bigger role. Irregardless, it could be a skill game and luck could still be involved. Lets say you are a 95 percent Free Throw shooter (basketball). You are at the park, you put up a perfect shot and a sudden gust of wind, out of seemingly nowhere, alters the course of the shot and you miss. That is unlucky.

  13. burnandturn

    2008-07-07

    Ultra maybe the UIEGA were thinking the same analogy in defining poker as a game of chance?? i hope the Rio keeps the doors closed so the cards dont blow way :)


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